Cringey to Confident: Using Faith to Create Your Personal Brand with Melissa Hughes

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One day, God says, Hey, Melissa, post videos online.

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And I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is silly.

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This is absolute silliness.

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I post one video and the first video on my camera roll, that

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video generates 22 million views.

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And I end up on the Kelly Clarkson show from a click of

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a button, not sell your house.

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Not quit your jobs.

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I clicked a freaking button.

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And to me, that is just God truly showing me like you said, you're not in control

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and also not by your strength, honey.

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Oh, yeah.

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What if your most challenging moments were actually paving the way for

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unprecedented impact today on seat, go create the leadership journey.

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We welcome Melissa Hughes, bestselling author, podcaster, And an accidental

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TikTok influencer turned life's lemons into a thriving social media empire.

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journey from a career in the valley next to a cemetery, literally, to

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lighting up screens with over 22 million views on her first video teaches us

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the power of resilience divine timing.

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Join us as Melissa shares how her Valley experiences helped cultivate

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a vision that now inspires thousands to leverage their stories for impact

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and influence through social media.

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Melissa, welcome to SeatGoCreate.

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Thank you for that awesome introduction.

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I am, I'm glad for us to talk this is a little bit of a

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different conversation for me.

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I'm talking to someone who's like famous.

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I don't know if I'd go that far, but I am excited to be on the show.

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All right, well, yeah, I'm, and I'm sort of joking, I'm not joking about it.

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It's like, okay, I was looking last night and said, wow, she's been on

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Kelly Clarkson and had this video.

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We'll get to that in just a moment, but before we kind of get rolling.

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When I meet someone I'm out and about one of the first questions I

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will typically ask is what you do.

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And so I've kind of gotten in the habit of doing that here on the

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podcast, even though I have done quite a bit of research and all that.

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But if somebody asks you what you do, Melissa, what do you typically tell them?

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Ooh, this is a very good question.

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I have two answers.

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Do you want both?

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give them both to me and tell me the situation that you might decide.

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Well, the first one is the, you know how, and this is like a really good,

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Maybe way for your audience to introduce themselves when they're at a networking

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event or whatever is you do a you know How and you lead with a pain and then you

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tell them that you fix that so sometimes they go You know how you have like a

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message that's inside of you and you like want to get it out to the world But

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you don't really know how and sometimes you have so many things that you want to

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say You don't know how to make it clear.

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Well, I fix that.

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I help people grow their personal brand online and on stage Or I

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just say I help people grow their personal brand online or on stage.

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So the first one you mentioned was sort of at a networking event.

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so you are around sort of business type people I guess the second one would

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that be more like the general public?

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Yeah, I think it probably also depends on have I had a coffee or have I not, but

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I think the, you know, how really does it's more engaging in my mind because

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it helps people to think about their own life, rather than just, oh, I do this.

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Whereas this, the first one I think engages people in a conversation and

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that's probably more of what you want.

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Yeah, it is and those help me because i've kind of seen both of those just

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over the last few days when i've been checking things and doing research and

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all that, but does bring up something that's interesting that we'll go ahead.

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I sometimes like to just go ahead and dive in the deep end of the pool right, here.

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And I think I listened to you on a podcast and I don't remember the name of it.

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It was where someone was interviewing you and y'all were talking about listening and

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hearing the Holy Spirit you instructions and tell you things and things like that.

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How often does that.

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enter in when you are just meeting and greeting and connecting or, hustling

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through an airport or something like that.

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how does the Holy Spirit factor into what I just brought up, that

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question that you're answering?

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Wow, I love that you are leading with this, and I love that

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you're asking this question.

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I feel like it factors in every day, all the time.

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that's actually a skill that people can learn, and it's one

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that I have just kind of learned.

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whenever I'm in conversation with someone, I try to, Tune in to maybe

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like what God might be saying to me about them or just for them.

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But yeah, it does lead me into some interesting conversations and some

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interesting encounters with people I have I I I one day will write a book of all

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the stories because they're really fun But yeah that's a skill that i've learned

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and that actually is Kind of how I came to a place of faith is someone did that

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for me And so I just have taken it my responsibility to do that in the world.

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so it's fascinating about that, and you know how this works.

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You've been around church world and all for a period of time.

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When we start Talking about the voice of the Lord or the Holy Spirit.

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And we're injecting it into what I would consider a business

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or a practical conversation.

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people get a little bit weird with that.

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They don't quite, they like to keep it separate.

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I'm with you.

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I just had a meeting this morning where I was discussing bylaws, policies and rules

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and regulations with an organization.

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I know it sounds exciting.

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I know you're sitting here going, Ooh, I wish I could have been in on

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that meeting, but, no, you don't.

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But as we're walking through things, I'm just sitting here thinking,

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you know, this could be some tough stuff, but I really do believe that

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the Holy Spirit is here with me.

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Holy Spirit's helping with some tough things where we're trying to redo

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documents of a 40 year old organization.

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I guess my question is at what point do you recall having the expectation,

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that's the word I want to use, the expectation that he, the Holy Spirit, she,

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if it's a she that's fine with me too,

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Was going to be involved with those kind of conversations.

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It's going to be walking with you to the airport It was going to be

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sitting with you on the plane do you recall like I know you said someone

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did it for you and I actually i'm going to backtrack with your story at

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some point But when did you like go?

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You know what this is?

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This is me.

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I'm walking with the holy spirit

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Yeah.

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Well, I think, I think the first thing is truly believing that that's possible.

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'cause I remember coming into church and someone said that, and

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I just thought, that is weird.

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I mean, really, that was my thought.

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I was like, what do you mean you feel like God speaks to you?

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And lo and behold, I mean, I knew God.

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Yeah.

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I don't think you can know Christ without knowing his voice.

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The truth is, is like how aware.

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Are you of how often he's speaking to you is the thing.

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And I remember though, being in church and someone said, do you

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guys all feel God's presence?

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And I remember being, looking around and, and being like, I, I feel air.

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I, all I feel is air and I don't even feel that really.

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So like, I have no idea.

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So I think like just being open to that idea was like, I remember

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those moments specifically.

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And then I just remember it wasn't so much that it happened accidentally.

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I think I was so intrigued.

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That it was possible that I read this scripture that said

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eagerly desire spiritual gifts.

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And so I actually Tim I pursued it and I remember like praying and being like

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Like god speak to me for this person or speak to me about me or like show me

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How you speak to me and then and then the way that I would find out if I was

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hearing properly Was I would ask god a question about the person and then

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i'd hear something And then I would ask them if it was true, sounds kind

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of silly, but it would literally be like, do you have a cousin named Dave?

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And they'd be like, no, I'm like, oh, okay, no worries.

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That's fine.

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But then the more that like, I just started having this relationship of

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asking God for weird, random things.

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And then I'd start to get sharper and sharper and sharper.

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and One of the I know you have a background and I think help

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Yeah.

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health coaching.

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Is it, some people will say this, and at times I will agree with this.

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And at times I'll disagree that what we're talking about here, hearing the

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voice of the spirit, acting on it.

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We'll talk about that because some people will hear and then they won't act on it.

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It's sort of like a muscle, sort of like working a muscle.

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And the more you work it, there are times, Melissa, where I agree with that.

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And then there are times I'm going, I think that might be oversimplifying it.

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But it, Is it like that?

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Is it like working something and the more you work it, the stronger it gets?

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I think it's truly, I think here's what I would say is I truly think that

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God is speaking to us all the time, but I just think it's so natural.

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And we just don't, we don't number one, attribute it necessarily to like, cause

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when we think I heard God's voice, we, we over spiritualize it and think we

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hear this like booming voice from heaven.

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And it's not like that.

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I feel like I've just become more and more aware of how often God's speaking.

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He's already speaking.

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So I think it's more so just like.

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Finding out how naturally that relationship that you have with

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God really is so natural and tuning into that and being aware of it.

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And there isn't like a level of confidence.

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the more you find out that people do have a cousin named Dave.

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Yes!

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And you're like, oh wow, that was accurate.

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So I do believe all of this ties into a conversation I want us to have in

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a few minutes on personal branding on how do we arrive on some of these

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social media platforms and, and how do we know we're being authentic?

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trying to be something that we're not, I want to have conversations because

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it's kind of what attracted me to want to talk to you I see you doing it and

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I see you doing it with how we would often define it in a successful way.

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So I'll ask you in a little while, how you define success there.

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But before we do that, I read your book.

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She can laugh.

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yesterday, a guide to living spiritually, emotionally, and physically healthy.

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You kind of covered all their spirit, soul, and body.

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and I was sort of joking with my wife.

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She goes, how'd you like Melissa's book?

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I said, you know what?

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She had recipes.

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had recipes in there and, and my wife has written a recipe book and she

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knows how Little, I think about food.

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I said, what kind of recipes?

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I said, well, there was a quinoa salad and there was, there was

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some really, really good stuff.

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I'm sure I have no idea what it meant.

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I'm showing my weakness there.

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That's not me in any way,

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Yeah.

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but you did walk through the story of you.

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And I think it was your

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Yeah, my husband can.

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Yeah.

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and I think this, the thing that was fascinating to me, it sounds as if.

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And I know that sometimes when we write things, we can't

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include every single day, but it

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Yeah.

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as if y'all had very, I'll use the word interesting, but let's go ahead

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and said, say challenging year to year and a half plus up to a move overseas.

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And then also when you were overseas, let's go back to that and walk me through.

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where you were at, this is a little bit cheesy, but kind of

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where you were at spiritually.

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Obviously, if you think the

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Yeah.

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telling you to move overseas and plant a church and do things, feel as if

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you're hearing from the Lord, but sounds like there was a lot of opportunity

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to question that along the way.

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Yeah.

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we had the opportunity to move to the UK to start a church.

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And since I was a kid, just the idea of living in the UK

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was like, so exciting to me.

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And then I ended up marrying someone who's from there.

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All the stars are aligning.

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Like, I don't know if anyone on here has like ever had a dream and then suddenly

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you're like, Oh my gosh, it's coming to like, it's, it's going to happen.

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I was excited.

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And I had this belief system that what God calls you to, if God calls you

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to it, it's going to be fantastic.

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Like he's obviously in it and Jesus is good.

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So it's going to be great.

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But we experienced a lot of, challenges to, move.

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And then once we were on that airplane and sitting there, we're like,

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yay, the dream's coming together.

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But then about a month after moving there, my husband got

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into a horrible car accident.

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And at that point, We had no house, no car, no jobs, no forks, no couches.

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The only place that would rent to us was a funeral home in a valley.

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I was going to be my husband's full time carer and, I was pregnant.

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And so.

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I think at the time, my belief was like, Oh, well, this is a bump in

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the road again, but God's good.

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And like, you know, we're just going to keep going and it's all going

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to be, it's all going to be great.

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But then as like the weeks and the months ticked on, it actually got worse.

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And I just remember sitting in my bed, looking out my window, and as

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far as my eye can see, are headstones, and a friend calls me, and she's

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like, Hey, Melissa, how are you?

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And I was like, you know, we've had some challenges, but we're good.

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Like God's good.

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And we're going to be great.

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And she just, there was like just this long pause.

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And she was like, Melissa, you know, that you can just say

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that things are really hard.

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Right now.

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And I, Tim, here's what happened.

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I cracked.

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I had a moment where I realized that like, I could not even get those words

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out of my mouth because I was going to have to answer a question that

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was under the surface of all this stuff that I wasn't really prepared

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to answer, which was, but then if God is good and I believe that, then why

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would he call us into something so bad?

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And I really had a.

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Faith crisis and like that question just hung there and I didn't have an

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answer for it And I was in a pit that I did not know how I was gonna get

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out of and honestly thought i'm never gonna get Out of this I felt so broken

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the one thing that I felt like I put my whole life in like In God's hands.

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I felt like he had betrayed me and I did not have faith.

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which was like the one thing that felt so strong to me.

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And it was a couple months slash year later that I remember one day saying, God,

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how could anything good come from this?

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And I truly felt like God Bent down from heaven and whispered to me into

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such like a tender part of my heart.

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He said, mountaintop experiences are for sights and inspiration,

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but fruit grows in the valley.

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And that was a Billy Graham quote that I had read and it just

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went right into my heart and I realized, Oh, God's still good.

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He's just doing something on the inside of me right now.

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And it's not visible to the, to anybody else.

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I couldn't even see it, but God's wanting to do a deep work in

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my heart and it's for purpose.

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while you were sharing that I'm at.

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This is a sort of a backtrack, but I'm curious what was going on with your

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husband and I know I'm not interviewing him and sometimes it's not good to ask.

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you know, cause I asked, we had some friends recently that, uh, husband,

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he was going through a little bit of a health challenge and I asked

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the wife and said, how's he doing?

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And the wife said, oh, he's fine.

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But I'm looking at him going, I don't think he's fine.

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so what, I mean, what can you share about what was going on?

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Cause I mean, he obviously had some physical issues he was dealing with.

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He probably thought just like you, that the Lord was about to

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just open up the gates of heaven and pour out blessings on you.

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As you're there, I, I hate it, but I love the imagery of being

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in a valley in a cemetery.

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I'm not laughing at you.

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I'm laughing with you.

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Sorta.

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I love that, that imagery there.

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But tell me a little bit about what he was possibly going through at the time.

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Cause I'm sure y'all debriefed and discussed it some.

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Yeah, you know, it was actually a very lonely season for both of us because,

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as he's going through his challenges physically, he's experiencing his own,

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challenges, but then as the carer, I'm experiencing my own challenges.

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And so I don't know if anybody.

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Has as a married couple has experienced that, but the person that's caring

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for that person can eventually become resentful because they're

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like, I'm doing everything and they aren't getting their needs met.

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And then this person then is also going through their challenges that

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they need caring, but then over time it can very quickly become a very

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lonely experience for both people.

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And I would say that we both felt that.

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So it was a really hard time.

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And then on top of that, he's also having to deal with a wife who is spiraling.

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So Tim, I'm just wondering for you, from a man's perspective,

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probably not a great time.

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He, he, I have to say though, um, and let's have this on record.

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He handled it with incredible.

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Bravery and perseverance that I did not have.

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And I regularly tell him that, that he, he really carried us, like even in his

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own condition, he really did carry us.

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So, one of the things is very similar.

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The details are different, but it's a similar, mental thing that wife

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and I went through from 08 till 13, and it was post financial collapse.

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You know, we thought we were doing all that the Lord wanted,

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our life was blessed living in a country club, blah, blah, blah.

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And then, you know, five years later, we're homeless, bankrupt,

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living out of a Honda van.

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what I tell people ask all the time, very similar question,

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what was it like for you?

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What was it like for your wife?

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and the thing I say two things and I'll say these and then I'll

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let you respond or whatever.

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One thing we say is that the way the Lord had us, we were going

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deeper with the Lord the whole time.

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We weren't aware of it fully but because things of the world were just

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being peeled away almost daily from us.

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Yeah.

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we were getting to a broken place.

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And many times it's what the Lord, I don't want to say He desires it.

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He needs it because we won't allow change unless we really become broken.

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the interesting thing for the two of us was that didn't both, air

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quotes here, quit at the same time.

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There were probably times where I was in quit mode and had lost my mojo

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and all these thoughts, but she was like, all of a sudden, super positive.

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I'm typically

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Yeah,

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in the relationship.

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And then sometimes when she was down, I would be caring.

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And so we never quit at the same time.

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The second thing that we say now to everyone that asks about it is that we

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wouldn't wish we went through on anyone.

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But we are thankful that we went through it.

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yeah,

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any response to any of those comments about our experience?

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yeah, I would say we, we would probably share very similar experiences 100

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percent and especially, that sentiment we would, you know, would not want

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anyone to go through it, but like, it really was the making of us.

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And I would, you know, it's same for you.

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there's actually a term.

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I just did a talk about this called the value of the valley.

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And when I was doing some research around valley seasons, there's actually

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a term called post traumatic growth, which is after you've experienced

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trauma, incredible growth can come.

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And a lot of people, 70 percent of people, Experience a deeper sense

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of gratitude, of satisfaction, of, meaning in their life after going

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through something very traumatic because pain helps you prioritize.

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Helps you think like what really is important like all that stuff that

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you had you're like that was nice But man, like i'm just grateful

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that me and my wife are together.

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I'm just grateful that we still love each other I'm, just grateful to have

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breath in my lungs Like it just puts so much into perspective and I think

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anyone that goes through a valley like that I mean, I don't know about

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for you, but for me I Regularly, every day I'm like, thank you so much

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God for what you've done in my life.

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Like I just can't get over it.

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Nobody will, only Jesus and my husband knows, you know, and I'm

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sure you guys feel the same way.

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Yeah, we're very grateful.

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And I think what you brought up is powerful about the Post traumatic

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growth, because in many ways we're recording this, I'll put a timestamp

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whenever people listen, we're recording this in fall of 2024, all as the world

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appears if we've moved away from COVID, which was quite traumatic for I think

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everyone, But I think collectively, Culture society is going through this.

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What's important to me now, what did I think was important in 2020,

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early 2020 than now it's different.

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And we're similar also.

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I mean, I had a conversation yesterday and we aren't minimalist,

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but we really are essentialist.

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We live in 39 feet space.

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You know, a few hundred square feet.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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for the winter.

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We're thankful for that, but we don't have a lot of stuff.

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When in 2008, we were in a 6, 000 square foot home, Melissa.

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And so, uh, you know, a lot of that.

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this brings up my next thing and I'm circling moving towards

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a personal brand conversation, because I believe some of this is

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character issues that lead to that.

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Right.

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So, the second part of the question when you were walking through your

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story is, we, especially those of us in First World, and First World

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Christians especially, believe that life is supposed to be sunshine,

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unicorns, and roses all the time?

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And we define the sunshine is what type roses we deal with

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and what the unicorns look like.

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In other words, as control types, you're probably not this.

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We, we believe that we can control our lives.

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And so you probably had, as y'all were preparing for this incredibly

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miraculous move over to the UK, you probably had the visions in your mind.

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You might've even journaled and written out.

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This is the way it's going to be like, and then

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bam.

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So talk about.

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the expectations we have

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Hmm.

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related to possibly God may have planned, but I think there's big

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disconnects and gaps there, and sometimes we just need to try to reconcile

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it, and I don't know how to do it.

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Well, I just have to tell you that many times in my life, my husband

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actually calls me sunshine and skittles.

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Because I approach life, like, even people, I'm like, oh, they're amazing,

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they're great, my husband also, he's in the police academy, so his story

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is he's gone from pastor to police officer, but it's a gift, he's a gift

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to my life, because he, He's called to see the dirt in society and I

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truly feel called to see the light.

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But so to have for so for god to take somebody that he's wired to see everything

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as sunshine skittles and rainbows and stick them in the valley on the cemetery.

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he had no problem popping that bubble.

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And I truly believe that God is more interested in creating people that will

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move from being, a beggar to a builder.

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And I want to just say what I mean by that is a lot of times when we enter

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into a relationship with Jesus, we are like, what can you do for me, God?

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And, you know, like, I want this, I want that, make my life great.

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And we're called to build the kingdom.

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And in order to be a builder, you have to be fit for service.

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And so God has no problem building you up to be fit for what he has

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called and commissioned you to do.

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And we say like, I want to be used by God.

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Well, listen, you are, he's going to take you on a journey.

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And that is not like a scare tactic.

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It is the best, most profound, that is the thing, Tim.

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We're not called to a pain free life.

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We're called to live a profound life.

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which is the cross and the resurrection.

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It's the love that we've experienced and also the sin that we've had to forego.

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It's like this beautiful dichotomy in life of what God calls us to have.

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we walk through the cross to experience the resurrection

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and that's what Jesus modeled.

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So, that was, I feel like I got a firsthand experience to that.

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Has it, has it changed your level of optimism at all, or have you, adjusted it?

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I mean, listen, I'm typically an optimistic person that actually got me in

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trouble with some business because I kept thinking things are going to be great.

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God, I'm on God's family.

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He'll take care of me, blah, blah, blah.

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Right.

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And he, didn't look like my one to three year plan that I had listed out.

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Yeah.

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And yeah, so go ahead.

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I mean, has it changed the way you look at things?

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I would say I'm still, like if you were to see me walking through life, I look like

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Skittles, sunshine and rainbows, right?

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That's like my disposition.

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I'm very sunny.

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But, I think what it helped me to understand was that, God is building

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something and he wants us, he wants.

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To equip us.

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And I think, there's a quote by CS Lewis and it's so good.

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And it's basically describes us as like a decent little cottage.

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You might have heard it.

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Have you heard this quote before?

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don't think so.

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My wife really loves C.

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S.

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Lewis.

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I've read quite a bit, but not everything, but go ahead.

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Well, he essentially says like, when I came to know Jesus, I'm like a

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decent little cottage, but I knew that there were things that needed fixing.

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Like the plumbing needed to be fixed.

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Like this wall needed to be painted.

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But what ended up happening was like the wall got blown out and it wasn't

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just like the plumbing needed fixing.

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It needed all new plumbing.

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And he goes through this whole thing about like.

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He thought that he was going to be built into a nice, decent little cottage.

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When in fact, God was building a mansion for him to reside in and a Matt and

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it's something that was beautiful.

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And so I think like my perspective is, is of that, that like, God

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cares so much about your life.

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He cares so much about you that he will go to extreme lengths.

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And extreme measures to make sure that you become exactly who he

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has crafted and created you to be.

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And I think that that's probably, so it's still on a level of like, it's a bright

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side, but it's like, he has no problem.

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You know, making you face the fears, making you get honest, making you

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get real with the insecurities and the doubts and the disappointments,

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because he knows that that cannot come with you into the next season and

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the thing that he's called you to do.

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I love the house analogy because what I, my mind started wandering towards

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foundation and the subtitle in your book says a guide to living spiritually,

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emotionally, and physically, which I word that is spirit, soul, and body.

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Yeah.

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And what I recognized was that my foundation wasn't as strong spiritually.

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And I

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Yeah.

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For me, the last few years, it's been, he wants my heart.

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hmm.

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my heart.

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And my exercise here on this earth is getting my heart in the condition that

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it's going to be for all eternity.

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And so I've got work to do and I've been through a lot of work.

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And so that's what we're doing.

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is a great time to transition into.

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What happens as one moves into social media with

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Right.

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we're talking about?

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For example, I'm going to ask this to kind of begin prepping the story

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of kind of how you kind of what I call lightning in a bottle occur.

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And the way I want to ask it is this, if that had happened

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your experience, can you guesstimate?

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What might have gone on with you versus It happening when it did and maybe you

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can tell a little bit of what happened.

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So people, We'll know what we're talking about

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So basically, Tim, that, thank you for bringing that up because I am

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such a believer that the valley saved my life because if I didn't have

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the valley before the mountaintop, I would have thought I was pretty great.

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And so when I'm in the valley, like flexing my biggest muscle, trying to

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produce something and I see a vineyard and all I'm producing is one tiny raisin.

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I mean, you're just like, Oh my gosh, like I can't do it.

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And finally God's like, thank God, like, thank God.

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You finally came to that realization that you can't do it.

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And I got real honest about all my limitations, all my humanity,

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all of my fears and failures.

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And then.

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One day, God says, Hey, Melissa, post videos online.

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And I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is silly.

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This is absolute silliness.

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I post one video and the first video on my camera roll, that

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video generates 22 million views.

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And I end up on the Kelly Clarkson show from a click of

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a button, not sell your house.

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Not quit your jobs.

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I clicked a freaking button.

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And to me, that is just God truly showing me like you said, you're not in control

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and also not by your strength, honey.

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I think of Moses and how, you know, When God wants to part the Red

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Sea in your life, He will do it.

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We don't have to get all of our panties in a bunch and make it happen.

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Like, just stay faithful, continue to do and be faithful

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with what He's put in your hand.

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But I feel like I just got so set free from performance and striving and trying

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to make it happen that when that video went viral, I was like, that's it.

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This is unreal,

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it

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So

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and you are you are kind of a Control or take charge type personality that,

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yeah.

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guessing, and you still have this wired in you because I've got this,

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but God's just doing different things with it now, is a, you can somewhat

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shape and craft your environment.

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Do you believe that?

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Since I've been a kid, I was president of student council.

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I was captain of safety patrol.

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I was homecoming queen.

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I can make it happen if I want to.

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And the valley, the gift was, I can't make it happen.

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That was the gift that God gave me was he helped me realize how I am not enough.

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had, going to use that you had kind of been broken down in that valley and then

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all of a sudden you've got, I know there was probably a bit of time frame here,

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but you all of a sudden you have this video 22 million views, which there are

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people right now that are strategizing, you know, how to make something go viral.

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They've got all these formulas and things like that.

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And some people do have some degree of formula around that, at what

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point, how far off was it like that Kelly Clarkson kind of got involved?

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Because that's like, you're going like big media now.

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know.

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Yeah.

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She reached out about two weeks.

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So that video went viral and it stayed viral for, you know, a couple of weeks.

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That they reached out about maybe two weeks after that video popped.

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And then the show aired in June or July.

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But I, then they had me on the show maybe a week later than

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it aired in the summertime.

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yeah, it was an, it was unbelievable.

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And tell us what the video roughly was, because I went

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back on your feed last night.

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I'm sitting here talking to my wife, I said, I've got to go back and see

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what this 22 million view video is.

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And I looked at it.

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My wife at one point said, did you find it?

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I said, I think I did.

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I said, and I'm not sure that I get it.

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Yeah,

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So

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It was dumb.

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That's the thing.

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It was a video of my kids sledding.

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Like I put my three year old and two year old on a sled, pushed them

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down this Hill that then they just like hit a little jump and the sled

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turned and my daughter goes, right.

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So it's, I was on the Kelly Clarkson show for a mom fail, which I love.

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Cause how many moms feel that way?

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But, exactly.

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I did not think that it was that funny, but apparently people

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thought it was entertaining.

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All right.

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so then here's the follow up question is, so someone has that, divine or

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lightning in a bottle or whatever term you want to use something that

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so many people aspire for, have it, you get a lot of recognition for it.

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You get asked to be on a national talk show and all of that.

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What happens next?

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What happens next after that type of an event?

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Yeah.

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Well, full transparency, like where I was in my life at that time was

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we had moved home from the UK.

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I was working in childcare and my biggest prayer was, God, I just want

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to find a way to work from home.

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And so my next step.

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Was I needed to figure out video content like that video goes viral,

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but it doesn't change my life.

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So I just started posting videos in my car on my lunch break while working

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in childcare, grew a following.

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And then someone came to me and said, Melissa, why don't you

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teach people how to do this?

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And I, and they'll pay you for that.

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And I thought that was ridiculous.

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I thought, I said, nobody would pay me to coach them to make videos.

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Like that's not a thing.

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Turns out it's a thing, Tim.

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It's a thing.

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He, found me my first client.

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And with one client, I was able to replace my income because he pitched me as a

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social media consultant, which I was not.

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I went out on my own as an entrepreneur with one client and just started

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learning business and entrepreneurship.

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truly God has just brought clients and people and the right connections.

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And it's just been like a different type of walk of faith.

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Did you and your husband, you mentioned this sort of happened after

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y'all had come back from England.

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And I don't know if y'all have discussed this, but did y'all

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feel at all as if you had failed?

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Oh yeah.

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then all right, so hold that thought and then at what point along this next

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part of your journey Did you feel as if?

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Maybe there's some success occurring because truthfully i'm not sure that

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a that a viral video because first of all, how do you duplicate it?

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You know, it's like okay this happened, but now what at what point

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did you kind of wake up and go?

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Hmm, you know what things things are working You Either again or for the

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first time or something like that.

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So so yes, you did feel like you failed.

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So when did you start going?

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Okay, I I'm i'm getting a little mojo back here

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Yeah, well, I think for most of the journey, it's felt

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like an imposter syndrome.

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And I think if I were to write a next book, it would be, you are an imposter.

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Like I think everything that God calls us to, we should feel like an imposter

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because it's him that does it, not us.

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And so, but I think to your question for a lot of it, I was like, Oh, this is luck.

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The video goes viral.

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It's luck.

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The fact I grew an audience, it's luck.

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The fact I got a client, it's luck.

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I just kept putting it down to that.

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But now we're three years in and I have a thriving business and I think

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only probably just now, you know, I'm like, I think maybe I'm good at this.

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I think maybe this is something that like God has gifted me with that like

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I can communicate and I can help people craft messages that bring clarity.

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so I guess it would be like a three year journey and then also to look at

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what we did in the UK as really, truly, I mean, we still have connections

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with the people there and God's taken it and it's taken on its own.

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we planted that, you know, and we weren't meant to be the ones to carry it on.

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And I think I struggled with that.

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I felt so deeply loyal to like what God had said, but God wanted us to move on.

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Like that wasn't supposed to be my field.

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And I think I thought that because I couldn't see the next thing

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that I had failed, but we were just meant to go and start it.

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And so I think hindsight's 2020, but yeah, we came back and I was

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like, man, this is, I've failed.

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part of what we do here is define success.

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we use a term called redefining it because I think there's world

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system, there's kingdom of God and sounds easy, but it's not easy.

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Especially when we get into things like, you know, what's my personal

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brand, what should it look like?

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You know, I'm a, I'm a believer in all, but you know, it also, I'm

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still operating in this world system.

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So how are you currently defining success?

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What does success look like for you?

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And you, you could take it in whatever direction you want, but how do you

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gauge and measure, measure success now?

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how much I'm enjoying my life.

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That is like the bottom line is my level of enjoyment.

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I mean, and like, I don't know how else to say that, but like there

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are, I was having a conversation with someone and I was like, I

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don't really want to launch a thing.

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I'm so happy.

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Like I'm at home with my children.

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I have a business that I get to help people and I'm excited.

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Is it a multimillion dollar business?

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No, but you know what?

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I don't think I want what's required to build that.

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I really want to be the mom that at 3.

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30 I am at the school gate and my kiddo comes running to me with a big smile on

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their face, brings me to tears with their paper being like, look at what I made.

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I mean, that's success to me.

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I truly feel like there's part of me.

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I know that I'm, I'm only 34.

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So I still have a lot of life to live, but there is part of me where if I were

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to die today, I'd be like, I'm so happy.

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Thank you for it.

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Thank you, Lord.

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and so that's, I think when I stop enjoying my life, that's an indicator

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to me that I'm no longer successful.

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And also, not just me enjoying, but like I'm a blessing to my family.

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And the people that I've been entrusted to serve.

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and the thing about it is there's some people, they're probably not listening

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in this long into the podcast where they would say, well, I enjoy life and I've

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got a bunch of money in my bank account.

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And I'm not saying that's a bad thing

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Yeah.

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I like money.

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What's odd for me, I'll say it this way and you can respond, is like, it seems as

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if, I've been wired to be kind of a hard charger, and what's interesting when you

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just mentioned your age, and I do want it to go on record, I did not ask your age.

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My wife has gotten on to me before for asking females how old they are.

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You're the same age as our daughter.

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And we've got two grandchildren and life's awesome.

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So we have a perspective of that age bracket.

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And, one cool thing by the way, is when you get to the stage where you

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can be grandparents and, the month of October, we're going to be spending

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with our grandkids and all there.

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That's so nice.

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but I do think part of the process that we go through.

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Is determining what's important to us kind of like we talked about earlier

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Yeah.

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i've got this weird thing going on and maybe you can say something

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about it is the less That I have been doing over the last few years.

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I'm not making a doctrine out of this.

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The more financial resources we seem to have, but I'm not thinking about it as

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Right.

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What are your thoughts about that?

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Yeah, I had someone the other day and they were like, Hey, do you want

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to write a chapter in this book?

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It actually is titled give God your yes, and I said, no, I don't, which

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is actually really funny, but I just thought, no, I know what I'm like.

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There's a scripture in the Bible that says she considers a field

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and buys it out of her earnings.

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She plants a vineyard and I kind of feel like I know the vineyard that I want to

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plant and that would be like a really cool piece of fruit in that vineyard,

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but that's not where I'm going right now.

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And so these opportunities that might be coming or things that we could

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do, I completely agree with you.

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I'm really trying to say no more and get more focused on the one thing.

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because it, yeah, going all in and, saying no more.

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Yeah, that's good.

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I actually just had this thought when you were talking about planting the vineyard.

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I think I'm in a place where I just want to show up after the wine's

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ready and just enjoy the wine.

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That's wonderful.

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I don't know, but I'm like, well, yeah, there's a lot of people out

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there planting vineyards and all that.

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Lord, if you want me to do it, I will, but I just like to have a sip of the

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wine with some folks that are there.

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Right.

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the thing I want to get this, this is going to, I'm going

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to have a few questions.

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I'm going to go ahead and telegraph this that are going to come across cynical.

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And it could be my age.

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It could be just the world we're in.

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But when I hear people say things like they help with

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their, someone's personal brand.

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I sometimes have a tinge, maybe it's what I've been through, it's like, why

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should we care about our personal brand?

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Mm hmm.

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that's my first question for you.

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I want to have some practical discussion here over the last few minutes.

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Why should Tim or anyone, I mean, I know you deal with a lot of women, but why

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should our personal brands be important to

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Okay.

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is there somebody do you have an author or someone that has been

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like a mentor to you from far away?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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it is?

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Patrick Linceoni has written some great books.

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Okay.

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And has Patrick, do you feel like impacted your life

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yes, I reference at least one of his books.

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Almost every client I interact with

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and how did you find Patrick?

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trying to remember someone recommended Patrick to me.

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Well, what's funny about that is you have been impacted because

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Patrick decided to take a message that was inside of him seriously.

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And try to get it out to the world.

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And what's funny is as Christians, I spent a long time living in a Valley on

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a cemetery, praying this prayer, God, how can we help people come to know Christ?

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That was my prayer.

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I would door knock.

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I stopped people in the grocery store to try to get them to hear about Jesus.

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And people were busy.

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Yeah, people were pretty busy.

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And then I'd say, Hey, you want to come to church?

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Well, guess what?

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People had a car that broke down or they had problems in their marriage, or they

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had a child that was estranged from their life, or they had a dishwasher that broke.

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And you know what people needed?

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They needed answers to their problems.

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And you know what God has put inside of people?

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Answers to people's problems.

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How are people going to find those people by putting themselves

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out there and getting known.

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And when we become known, we then have the credibility and the trust

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to then share the message of Christ.

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And I do not see it any other way.

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Right now, Tim, I don't see it any other way.

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I don't see people running down the doors at the church.

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I don't see people like, tell me about Jesus.

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I don't see lost people doing that.

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What I do see is Christians that are afraid, that are

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timid, that are not bold enough.

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And I truly believe that the enemy has used their purity against them.

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That he's saying, yeah, you don't want to be too prideful

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and put yourself out there.

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You don't want to, we just want to make Jesus known.

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Well, guess what?

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People aren't going to know about Jesus until they meet you because

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we are the children of God.

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And if we want to make disciples of all nations, we need to get equipped

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to go out into the world and do it.

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And that is how people are going to do it is by building a personal brand.

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I love that.

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I sort of pulled your string there because your, your tone changed.

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It's like, woo.

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I am so.

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You know what?

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Because I was very timid.

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I actually agree with you 100%.

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I thought, God, why would you have me?

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That feels so selfish.

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Like to have people build a personal brand.

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So egotistical we're supposed to make Christ known.

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And I feel like God really revealed that to me.

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And so now I'm going from like being timid about it to no, I'm shouting it

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from the rooftops, build a brand, which is very Christian and worldly terminology.

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But really what it is is get your booty out there in the world, figure out

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who you are and how Christ has fitted you to be work for service, do it.

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right.

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Very good.

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I'm going to throw a little bit of gas on your fire.

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So, you know, if you need to start yelling or throwing things, go ahead.

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the second phase of my cynicism revolves around some of the tools that

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are out there today and specifically the social media platforms.

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I have such a love hate with those and I'll Talk more about it.

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Why?

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Because really it relates back to some of the things we talked

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about at the beginning of the foundation and what people have

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been through and things like that.

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But if someone says, well, yeah, but I don't really want to participate

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with TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, or any of that kind of stuff.

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so, you know, I don't think there's good things going on there.

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what say you?

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Oh, I would say I didn't realize I'm going to get really snarky now.

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I'm a little passionate today

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I'm,

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don't want to get too,

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like

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Okay.

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Go.

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Okay.

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Cause yeah, there's this, there's like the sunshine side of Mel and then there's this

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like fiery side that like when you start touching on certain topics, But, you know,

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if we are, if we are called right now to go into all the world and you have a

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phone and we're over here in church being like, man, should we put on another event?

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Should we try to, you know, how can we reach people when God has

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literally opened up the passageways for us to communicate to the world?

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And we're over here like offended because of social media.

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And I'm like, hello?

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It's a tool.

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Yes.

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People are going to be inappropriate with it.

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Yes.

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People are going to use it for their own selfish gain.

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But as a believer, hello, it's a megaphone that we are not using.

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And I just am, I'm over it.

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I'm so over like people being offended with some of this stuff.

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get over yourself, post the freaking video and put yourself out there because

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there are people that could really use it.

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And I think that, I think it's a religious attitude that I'm over.

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I,

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I'm over it.

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So excited that you are passionate about this because this was, I think, one of the

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first things that sort of attracted me.

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It's like, you know, I'd like to talk to Melissa because I didn't know you'd

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been through what you've been through.

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But I know people dealing with these tools they have to have a certain mindset.

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And I also think they have to have a certain their soul and their spirit

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has to be in a certain condition.

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Mm hmm.

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having said all that you just said, which I love, what can you advise

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people about the proper mindset for the personal branding, the proper

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mindset for going onto these platforms?

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Because they're also messing with people.

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Mm hmm.

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are attempting to be something that they're not.

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They're using words like authenticity and things like that

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when they're not quite clear on it.

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And you did say earlier that had this happened to you.

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Whenever we might be having a different conversation, if a

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conversation also us your wisdom on where people need to be when they're

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interacting with these platforms and

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I think a really big thing.

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So this is the truth.

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Every person has a desire to feel seen, known, and heard.

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And so where you get that from is everything.

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Pre Valley, I can honestly say.

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and I'll be fully transparent.

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I want people to like me.

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It's bad.

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I know that I have tendencies about myself that I have to check myself,

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be like, Oh, I'm people pleasing.

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Why am I doing that?

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Like I have safeguards in my life.

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I'm aware I like, and my husband doesn't, I'm really grateful for him.

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But like, I do things where I'm like, I wanting to feel seen.

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I'm wanting to feel heard.

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And that was a problem for me.

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And God brought me into a Valley.

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Or he had to deal with me on some of those things and I'm grateful for that.

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So I think educating people on, Hey, wanting to be, seen, heard,

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and known is not a problem.

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That's not a bad thing, but making sure that you, that you are seen, heard, and

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known by the father first is everything.

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And I just did a post yesterday actually saying, we don't want to be recognized.

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We want to be seen, but being seen means seen for the good, the bad, and the ugly.

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And that is the problem right now, is people want to be recognized.

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They don't want to be seen.

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And so I felt like I had to be seen by God in the valley when I

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was messy, when I was ugly, when I was gross, when I wasn't pretty.

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And I felt his love for me in that season.

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And it set me free from honestly needing that from other people.

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And so I feel like I'm equipped to do that online.

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Do I need to make sure that I stay in a place of humility?

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Of course.

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But am I going to allow the fear that I won't hold me back from doing it?

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No, because I don't think that that's good stewardship either.

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But I think the crux of it, Tim, is educating people on having

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honest conversations with God.

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God can take your messy.

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He can take your problems.

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He can take your doubts, your fears, your insecurities.

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have those conversations with him so that you can show up really authentic

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and not trying to feel seen, known, and heard through likes on social media.

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And that's the difference.

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not using authenticity as a tactic.

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a character trait.

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I'm very similar.

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I'm wired.

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To desire significance.

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That's the word that I've kind of come.

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and some people, some of us use impact, some of us, you know,

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whatever I desire to be significant.

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And I believe that my journey has been part of God getting me to a place where

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I'm okay with you being significant.

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We just need to make sure we remember where that significance comes from.

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Right.

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so we we've only got a few minutes here melissa, but I want to i've loved

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the conversation by the way but i'd like to leave with maybe just a few I

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don't know, I don't even know if tips are the right word, but if you are

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going to give someone a quick, I guess, either encouragement or a strategy

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related to their personal brand, I mean, maybe even if you want to take me

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Yeah.

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what would you, Say to them and listen, I know you do this for people and before

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Yeah.

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We'll make sure people know how they could connect with you on

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that But just what would you say?

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What is some things that you are seeing quite a bit of that people

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just need to know about personal

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Yeah.

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So, you know, personal branding is essentially like your reputation

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or what you want to be known for.

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and.

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There's a lot of steps to take, but I'm going to give you just one.

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And it's probably also what sets me apart too, as a believer, helping

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people with this is the most important thing is finding out how God sees you.

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And that for me.

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Cause we see ourselves a certain way.

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If you think about Moses, God called him to do something.

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He saw himself as someone that stutters.

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Whereas God saw a leader that would set people free.

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And when I feel like how I have seen myself.

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Like I just have, this is a picture of how I see myself.

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I try and like, I have nails on that.

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I tried to like making my nails look really nice and they fell off.

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And so it's just like, I feel like I try and try to be like

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put together and perfect.

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And God constantly reminds me that I'm not, that I'm not, but.

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I'll never forget, stepping out to pray for someone.

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And I totally said something I shouldn't have put my foot in my mouth, felt

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stupid, went in my car and was having this massive, like pity party for myself.

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Like, Melissa, you're so this, you're so that blah, blah, blah.

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And in the midst of that, I felt God almost like put his

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chin and his hand like this.

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Like he was looking at me and he said, Melissa, you're my ferocious babe.

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And I just started crying, like I would never have put those words together,

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but it just felt like he likes my personality, this like ferocious

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kind of I'm trying and I'm figuring out and it's okay if it's messy, but

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I'm just going to give you my best.

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And then this babe part, which it's like, I'm his girl.

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Like, I'm his daughter and he's okay with my mistakes and it gave me

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permission to show up authentically.

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And so when I'm working with people, that is one of the first questions that

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I ask is, have you ever asked God, what he thinks about you, because it will be

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part of the foundation as well, along with your story, along with things that you're

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good at, what brings you energy, but it will give you insight into the foundation

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of how you show up in the world.

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So the fact that I created content in my car, the fact that I had a

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video go viral on accident, like it's so on brand for me because I'm

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God's ferocious babe and he's got me.

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And so that would be step one.

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I saw those words in the book when I was reading, I said, Oh, ferocious babe.

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And the book was a little bit older.

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I said, I wonder if she still considers herself a ferocious babe.

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I do.

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I will say, I love that you're calling yourself that for

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that to come out of my mouth.

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Doesn't seem quite appropriate to even reference you that way,

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but anyway, we're all good here.

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comfortable with that.

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So,

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Melissa, in light of all the conversation we've had, is there anything else

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you would like to just add or say or

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Yeah.

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got one or two things and we'll wrap up here,

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Yes.

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if anything that I've said is helpful and you're like, okay, maybe I should just

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start like sharing the message in my heart and I'm going to post the dang video.

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I just want you to know you will feel cringey.

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And just embrace the cringe and it feels awkward.

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It feels cringey.

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You feel stupid, but eventually the cringey, right?

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We'll turn into confidence and you'll really start to find your voice.

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Embrace the cringe.

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It is the pathway to confidence.

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Yeah, I'm thinking if there is there a book or a training or the title

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of this episode to be cringy to confident or something like that.

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I love, love the alliteration of value of Valley and I'm

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sitting here thinking cringe to confidence or something like that.

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I often have alliterations.

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Melissa, I've loved this.

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I know you've got the book, you've got the podcast, you've got your coaching,

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I've got your website pulled up here.

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If someone really wants to connect with you, where do they need to go?

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And I know they've, there's places they could follow you, but where

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do you want people to go if they're saying, I need more of Melissa?

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Yeah.

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I have a free resource, three steps to getting clarity on your brand

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message that I would be happy to give your audience that will walk you

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through step one, I find out what God says about you, but also some very

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practical steps that you can take to start getting clarity On your message.

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' cause if you're not clear, you can put out as much content as

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you want and it won't resonate.

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you can connect with me on Instagram at Melissa Lee Hughes or shoot me an

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email at melissa@melissaleehughes.com.

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Yeah, very good.

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You got a great website.

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I was able to get a lot of information there and

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Thank you.

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about you melissa.

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We're seek go create those three words I'm going to allow you to choose one

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of those words over the other two and why seek Go or create and don't

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ever think it just which word jumps

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Create.

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the truth.

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Yeah, go.

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All right.

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Why?

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Create.

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Well, God's a creator, and I think all of us are meant to create.

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And when you step into that role as a creator, I really believe that you're

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looking to solve problems and you're looking to, add value to the world.

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And so stepping into the role is like, I'm going to create today.

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You have to think about who you're creating for and what

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it's going to be useful for.

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So creating and expressing Christ in you is probably the one I would choose.

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Awesome.

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Thank you, Melissa.

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And author of She Can Laugh that is on my Kindle here pulled up.

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So check that out.

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Connect with her.

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And, I've enjoyed this.

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I appreciate you allowing me to, be a little bit cynical.

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to poke

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Yeah.

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bit and to, uh, I, I loved some of the dialogue we've had.

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We're see, go create here.

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I appreciate everyone listening in.

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